The InEVitable
Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
Episodes

Thursday Feb 22, 2024
Thursday Feb 22, 2024
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman are back with their final episode from the CES show! FIRST, the guys chat with MotorTrend's 2024 SDV Innovator Award Winner - Worldwide SDV Tech Leader for Amazon Web Services, Stefano Marzani, about how AWS Cloud Services are assisting the automotive industry, and what our Software Defined future will look like. NEXT, the guys chat with Mercedes Benz AG Chief Software Officer, Magnus Oestberg, about their recent approval for Level 3 SAE Certification, how Mercedes is using ChatGPT, and MBUX Sound Drive by Will.i.am!
0:42 - Question of the Week! Formula-E.
2:35 - About today's guests.
6:15 - How is AWS Cloud assisting the automotive industry?
7:11 - The Big Loop.
8:18 - You're taking my data!?
13:34 - Digital Cockpit.
18:22 - Smartphones on wheels!
22:10 - Virtual testing, digital twin.
25:30 - Consumer application.
27:10 - Application to super car manufacturers.
30:42 - Ed & Jonny react to Stefano, introduce to Magnus.
32:15 - Mercedes' Magnus Oestberg!
33:40 - Drive Pilot Automated Driving.
36:36 - How did Mercedes achieve Level 3 Autonomy first?
42:22 - Consumer adoption.
46:43 - How Mercedes is using ChatGPT.
54:26 - MBUX Sound Drive with Will.i.am.
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Thursday Feb 15, 2024
Thursday Feb 15, 2024
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman are back with more from the CES show as they chat with XPeng Motors President & Vice Chairman, Dr. Brian Gu, AND the CEO of MIH Consortium, Jack Cheng! This episode is all about Flying Cars, "Smartification", and Software Defined Vehicles!
1:39 - Question of the Week! Chinese EVs in America?
6:38 - Dr. Brian Gu on XPeng's AeroHT - FLYING CAR!
7:53 - Getting a look at the XPeng's AeroHT.
10:53 - Flying specifics.
13:58 - Parachute!
16:13 - XPeng P7.
19:10 - When will it come to the American market?
24:07 - "Smartification", or Smart EV.
27:53 - Brian's background.
30:56 - XPeng X9!
34:10 - Ed & Jonny react to Brian Gu.
36:13 - Jack Cheng's time working with Jacques Nasser at Ford.
38:22 - Working with Sergio Marchionne at Fiat.
40:58 - New age of car making.
43:27 - Why he decided to pursue EVs.
45:43 - Joining NIO.
49:05 - Foxconn.
50:53 - Genesis of MIH Consortium.
54:08 - Common platform.
55:18 - Smart Car.
57:11 - What is MIH Consortium?
01:00:18 - Solving the B2B market.
01:01:53 - When will we see MIH products in the US?
01:04:02 - Chinese EVs in America.
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Thursday Feb 08, 2024
Thursday Feb 08, 2024
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman take the show on the road to CES in Las Vegas where they chat with Electra Founder, Fabrizio Martini, and Professor Shai Shalev-Schwartz of Mobileye! FIRST, Fabrizio takes us through how Electra Vehicles is optimizing EV batteries through design, predictive analytics, and EVE-Ai Adaptive Controls (a NASA program first designed to explore the surface of Venus)! NEXT, the guys chat with Mobileye's Professor Shai Shalev-Schwartz about their role in humanity's pursuit of fully autonomous vehicles! PLUS, we're rolling out a BRAND NEW SEGMENT: Question of the Week! Submit your questions via YouTube comments, Instagram @LohDown @JonnyLieberman, or email us at MotorTrend@MotorTrend.com! Send us a question and WE'LL GIVE YOU FREE MERCH!
0:50 - NEW SEGMENT: Question of the Week!
8:31 - What is Electra Vehicles?
12:12 - Predicting failure using EVE-Ai Adaptive Controls.
19:22 - Partnerships.
22:30 - Using EnPower to design the next generation of batteries.
24:50 - Current state of automotive battery tech, and where we're headed.
26:38 - Are Solid State Batteries coming?
29:12 - Fabrizio's educational background.
31:45 - Software is the key.
35:15 - Battery life spans - "Batteries are a live organism."
37:45 - Battery best practices and future solutions.
40:13 - Electra's mission.
45:42 - Cloud & Data partners.
48:40 - The next generation of batteries.
53:50 - Ed & Jonny's reaction to the discussion with Fabrizio.
55:30 - What is Mobileye?
56:50 - REM (Road Experience Memory)
01:01:15 - Next gen safety - accuracy of 10 cm!
01:05:11 - Camera, Radar & Lidar.
01:09:21 - The path to full autonomy.
01:14:20 - Lidar & Radar vs Camera.
01:20:05 - Accounting for human error.
01:24:35 - Where are we on the road to full autonomy?
01:30:41 - Car experience advances in the coming years.
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Thursday Feb 01, 2024
Joel McHale on his Restomods, Road to Hollywood, & Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
Thursday Feb 01, 2024
Thursday Feb 01, 2024
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Actor/Comedian Joel McHale! The guys discuss Joel's Restomods, high school & college years, his road to Hollywood, his struggles with dyslexia, early commercial gigs, car history & current collection, thoughts on EVs, and Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
1:58 - Welcome Joel McHale!
2:52 - Joel's Corsetti Cruiser & 1969 Scout Resto-Mod.
8:38 - Joel's 1970 FJ43 Icon.
12:47 - Joel's taste in cars.
15:44 - Joel's Italian/Canadian roots.
20:54 - Sports at University of Washington & love for College Football.
26:34 - Greatest Sports Rivalries.
28:22 - High School years - sports & theater.
30:54 - Rowing team hazing.
34:50 - Joel's love for Tennis & Pickleball. Invented in Washington.
38:38 - Scotland's Dinnie Stones.
41:53 - Driver's test car & family cars.
47:16 - Immediate post college years - Seattle TV gig "Almost Live".
48:11 - His struggles with Dyslexia.
49:24 - MFA programs.
50:30 - Arrival in Los Angeles - 95 Camry got stolen.
52:22 - First cars after getting commercial gigs.
53:25 - Joel's early commercial gigs.
57:33 - Headshots & auditions.
01:02:16 - Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
01:07:37 - Aggressive foodie.
01:10:41 - Unsafe At Any Speed by Ralph Nader.
01:13:13 - Jonny & Joel's friendship.
01:18:57 - Joel's love for Tennis. Evolution of Rackets.
01:23:53 - Watches.
01:26:09 - Thoughts on EVs.
01:29:07 - Wants a Rivian.
01:32:31 - More on his car collection - 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado.
01:39:26 - Cobalt & Lithium.
01:41:43 - His kid's interest in cars.
01:45:02 - Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
01:48:57 - Shout out to Dax Shepard!
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Thursday Nov 30, 2023
Thursday Nov 30, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Lucid Motors CEO Peter Rowlinson & Senior VP of Design & Brand Derek Jenkins! The guys catch up with Peter & Derek at the LA Auto Show where they witnessed the official World Premiere of the Lucid Gravity!
0:38 - Welcome!
7:39 - Introducing the Lucid Gravity!
8:07 - Evolution of the design.
9:04 - Optimizing Range & Efficiency.
13:16 - A REAL Third Row.
14:13 - Battery pack design.
17:50 - How battery design informs exterior design.
21:45 - Lucid's DNA.
25:08 - Adjustments to the Secondary Screen design.
26:17 - Exterior & Interior Lighting.
28:37 - Frunkin'!
31:39 - Hidden Gems & New Themes.
35:37 - Peter's history with the company.
38:42 - Why the first Lucid vehicle was a Sedan.
43:43 - Chasing Efficiency.
45:47 - Company timeline.
51:10 - Design + Engineering = One Team!
56:20 - Genesis of the Gravity SUV.
58:49 - Charging Infrastructure.
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Thursday Nov 09, 2023
Hydrogen Powered Long Haul Trucking with Nikola’s Chief Engineer Christian Appel
Thursday Nov 09, 2023
Thursday Nov 09, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Nikola's Chief Engineer & Head of Vehicle Platforms - Christian Appel! The guys explore Nikola's ground-breaking Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Semi Truck!
2:00 - Getting a look at Nikola's Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Semi Truck!
3:43 - So, what is a Hydrogen Fuel Cell?
8:42 - Drivetrain architecture.
12:46 - 70 Kilograms of Hydrogen. MPK (Miles Per Kilogram).
15:09 - What's the range?
15:44 - How does Hydrogen power the truck?
17:49 - EV Mode.
19:27 - "Backpack style" hydrogen tank design.
23:01 - European perspective on the truck.
26:27 - Thoughts on Tesla Semi & Decarbonizing the trucking industry.
27:52 - New designs & new innovations.
31:21 - Refueling?
37:33 - Working on infrastructure with Volterra.
39:02 - Decarbonizing - Who's making the hydrogen?
43:22 - Feedback from drivers.
46:15 - Cab environment & suspension.
49:07 - Feedback from fleet owners.
52:39 - Comparing fuel prices.
54:39 - Full battery electric version.
57:29 - Solid State Batteries.
01:00:28 - Cooling system.
01:03:38 - Road to autonomy.
01:07:02 - Product line & Origin Story.
01:10:26 - Where are they built?
01:15:01 - Nikola's customers.
01:17:45 - Christian's background.
01:23:00 - Chinese market.
01:25:05 - "This is really a unique time in history."
01:28:03 - The Software Defined Revolution.
01:34:55 - Christian's personal fleet.
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Thursday Nov 02, 2023
e-Bikes with CAKE’s Chief Growth Officer Eric Asmussen
Thursday Nov 02, 2023
Thursday Nov 02, 2023
Is it CAKE!? Yes... If by CAKE you mean e-Bikes or Electric Motorcycles. MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with CAKE's Chief Growth Officer - Eric Asmussen! Eric dives into the many advantages & use cases of e-Bikes & Electric Motorcycles, CAKE's mission to grow the brand & e-Bike space, their various models, and more! Learn more at RideCAKE.com!
2:22 - "Light, Quiet, & Clean".
5:40 - Kalk - CAKE's off-road electric motorcycle.
6:32 - Sustainability = re:CAKE.
7:09 - Less parts, lighter weight.
15:01 - Advantages of Electric Motorcycles over Gas Motorcycles.
18:37 - "Friendlier than a motorcycle."
21:16 - Osa - CAKE's workbench on wheels.
22:49 - Range, Speed, & Charging.
25:19 - Pricing.
26:02 - Adjustable speed & regen.
27:17 - Comparing CAKES - Makka, Osa, & Aik models.
31:42 - Security = App locks, battery locks, & 3 kill switches.
33:23 - Operation.
34:34 - CAKE's Anti-Poaching Initiative in Africa.
37:50 - Cold weather considerations.
40:41 - Charging infrastructure for eBikes?
42:46 - Battery swapping?
46:21 - Riding from New York to Los Angeles!
48:42 - Accessories!
51:48 - Reliability & Delivery use cases.
55:21 - Jonny's 0 MPH crash.
01:03:08 - New generation.
01:06:13 - Green spaces & urbanization.
01:07:55 - Saving space & time.
01:10:27 - Growth.
01:14:40 - Military applications?
01:18:01 - More use cases.
01:22:27 - Available for purchase online at RideCAKE.com
01:24:10 - Osa = Carpenter.
01:26:51 - Behind the name, "CAKE".
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Thursday Oct 26, 2023
Synthetic Fuels with Porsche’s Karl Dums
Thursday Oct 26, 2023
Thursday Oct 26, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman are back with more from Rennsport Reunion 7 with Porsche's Senior Project Lead for eFuels, Karl Dums! The guys chat with Karl about Porsche's mission to create synthetic fuels! What are eFuels? And why should we pursue eFuels as an option?
0:12 - Today's topic - eFuels!
3:06 - Welcome Karl Dums!
4:58 - What are eFuels? How does it compare to gasoline?
7:15 - Carbon Neutral!
9:31 - Harnessing the winds of Patagonia.
15:50 - What about the CO2 footprint?
18:32 - Do eFuels work for all current fossil fuel applications?
21:01 - eFuels provide a decarbonizing solution for ALL existing vehicles - all 1.4 BILLION of them.
25:58 - Genesis of Porsche's eFuel mission.
27:31 - Timeline for eFuel rollout.
30:01 - Rapid timeline of development.
31:30 - Roadmap to reducing overall CO2 footprint.
35:45 - Vehicles running on eFuels at Rennsport.
37:05 - Want to learn more? Visit http://HIFGlobal.com
38:01 - Karl's involvement with the Carrera GT.
39:03 - Favorite cars at Rennsport.
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Thursday Oct 19, 2023
75 Years of Porsche at Rennsport Reunion 7 | Porsche + Michelin’s EV Racing Mission
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman take the show on the road to Porsche Rennsport Reunion 7 at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca - celebrating the 75th Anniversary of Porsche! FIRST, the guys chat with Porsche's GT4 e-Performance Tour Project Manager - Oliver Schwab - AND Michelin's North American Director of Motorsports - Jason Anzalone - about their mission to develop the electric future of customer racing! NEXT, the guys chat with Michelin's Original Equipment Product Category Manager - Ed Gliss - about what it takes to be a test driver, and how Michelin is staying ahead of the EV curve.
0:12 - Guest introductions
5:15 - Oliver's reaction to Rennsport Reunion 7.
8:17 - Focus of the event for Michelin.
9:32 - Porsche e-Performance.
12:41 - Porsche Mission R.
15:25 - Comparing Mission R & GT4 e.
18:16 - Test lab for electric customer racing.
21:01 - 63% sustainable tires.
22:07 - Race tires vs street tires.
23:52 - Low rolling resistance tires.
25:46 - How interested are customers in EV racing?
29:08 - Fast Charging for EV racing.
36:06 - How does Michelin approach the EV customer?
37:49 - Process of developing a tire for a specific car.
40:39 - Kids in a candy factory!
43:17 - Porsche & California.
46:27 - Looking into the future.
52:04 - Michelin's Ed Gliss!
52:18 - Ed's thoughts on Rennsport Reunion 7.
55:22 - What does the general consumer NEED to know about tires?
56:59 - Mission for Laguna Seca.
58:23 - Ed's Test Driver background.
59:52 - Tire sidewall markings.
01:03:43 - Competitive analysis of tires.
01:04:21 - The biggest issue with cheap tires.
01:05:44 - Reference vehicles for testing.
01:07:33 - Developing tires for a specific car.
01:08:15 - Over 100 tunable components in a tire.
01:14:11 - Life of a Test Driver.
01:21:57 - How to become a Test Driver.
01:32:06 - His role in Product Marketing.
01:33:20 - EV tires.
01:35:57 - How tires affect range/gas mileage.
01:38:19 - What are you excited to see at Rennsport Reunion?
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Thursday Oct 12, 2023
Thursday Oct 12, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Kia's Long Range Strategy & Planning Manager - Steve Kosowski! The guys discuss the Charging Alliance, Kia's EV6, EV6 GT, EV9 SUV, Solid State Batteries, hydrogen power, Kia's Carbon Neutral mission, current challenges, and the future outlook for the EV Market.
1:31 - Charging Alliance bringing 30,000 Ultra High Speed DC Chargers across America by 2030.
4:17 - Kia's "Plan S".
6:37 - What Tesla got right about charging.
10:58 - Why companies don't follow Tesla's charging infrastructure model.
12:17 - Jonny's charging story.
15:22 - Current EV demographics.
18:43 - Exploring the Kia EV6.
26:11 - Kia EV6 GT origin story.
31:15 - Benchmarks for the EV6 GT.
32:30 - EV6 vs. EV6 GT Target Buyers.
35:35 - Exploring the Kia EV9 SUV.
36:27 - EV9 vs Telluride.
41:47 - Looking at the EV Battery Cells - With 456 cells in the EV9, how do you cool them?
46:43 - The future for batteries in EVs.
51:51 - Advantages of Solid State Batteries.
54:28 - Is weight the final frontier for all EVs?
01:00:08 - Hydrogen powered passenger vehicles.
01:05:06 - What will the 2030 EV market look like?
01:07:02 - How gas prices affect car buying.
01:08:35 - Impact to infrastructure due to the heavy weight of EVs.
01:11:07 - Steve's personal views on EVs.
01:14:22 - In 2030, what will blow our minds about EVs?
01:19:13 - Mission to go Carbon Neutral.
01:21:54 - Will all EVs of the future be the same?
01:28:04 - Chinese EV Market.
01:32:16 - Japanification of China.
01:34:47 - Election year nightmare scenarios & economic issues.
01:38:00 - Long Range Planning.
01:39:47 - Geopolitics, economics issues, & public perceptions around EVs.
01:48:33 - When do we see a $29K EV?
01:52:30 - Kia's logo redesign.
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