The InEVitable
Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
Episodes

Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Air Taxis & Electric Aerial Ridesharing with Joby Aviation’s Oliver Walker-Jones!
Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Air Taxis by 2025!? Yep! Electric Aerial Ridesharing is just around the corner. MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Joby Aviation's Marketing, Communications & Brand Leader, Oliver Walker-Jones, about the Joby Aircraft & Electric Aerial Ridesharing service coming in 2025!
1:19 - What is an Air Taxi, or eVTOL (Electric Vertical Take-off and Landing Aircraft)?
3:31 - How are eVTOLs different from Helicopters?
10:15 - Weight capacity - Pilot & four passengers up to 100 miles!
11:33 - Flying at up to 200 mph!
13:00 - Where will they take-off and land from?
15:46 - Electric Aerial Ridesharing services, through partnerships with Uber & Delta.
17:24 - Safety reassurances? Built-in redundancy.
21:33 - Partnered with Toyota.
26:50 - Who makes the batteries?
27:36 - About the company's founder, JoeBen Bevirt.
31:45 - Pricing? Roughly $5-7 per person, per mile.
34:47 - Time saver! Google Maps example.
39:33 - What about in-flight emergencies?
42:23 - Pilot controls - two joysticks.
44:33 - The NASA Puffin.
49:30 - Marchetti's Constant - 30-minute commute.
53:54 - Hurdles to mass adoption.
54:47 - Regulating the skies.
58:27 - 100 mile range. JFK Airport example.
01:00:10 - What about Autonomy or Remote Operation?
01:04:32 - Who are Joby's competitors?
01:09:18 - DOD application.
01:15:12 - Toyota's 100 year pursuit of electric powered flight!
01:19:27 - Announcing their arrival.
01:19:45 - Immediate road to launch.
01:22:08 - Planning to launch in 2025!
01:23:52 - Global markets.
01:25:06 - Island hopping & other use cases.
01:26:25 - Charging & charging Infrastructure.
01:29:30 - First on-board pilot flight scheduled for later this year.
01:31:16 - Is there an on-board parachute for the aircraft?
01:33:40 - Super Bowl moment?
01:36:01 - When can we get in one?
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Thursday Sep 28, 2023
The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs) with Ford’s Doug Field
Thursday Sep 28, 2023
Thursday Sep 28, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Ford Motor Company's Chief Advanced Product Development & Technology Officer - Doug Field! The guys discuss Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs), how software is redefining the automotive industry, and the roadmap to full autonomy!
0:37 - Who is Doug Field?
5:39 - What is a Software Defined Vehicle (SDV)?
10:49 - What's the advantage of SDVs?
15:12 - What many car companies are going to miss about SDVs.
18:23 - SDVs in application, "A platform for creativity".
22:28 - Over-the-Air updates.
25:09 - How software is redefining automotive manufacturing.
29:18 - What is the defining characteristic of SDVs?
32:01 - Roadmap to full autonomy.
36:52 - What can be learned from the Outside Lands autonomous vehicle fiasco.
40:20 - The biggest hurdle toward full autonomy, "I believe it's harder than putting a person on the moon."
42:09 - "The software revolution is bigger than the propulsion evolution."
45:22 - Ford's SDV subscription services - where's the line?
54:52 - Role of Peter Stern, President of Ford Integrated Services.
58:41 - The importance of the automakers recruiting new talent from tech.
01:03:03 - What will my Ford be capable of 15 years from now?
01:06:58 - Adoption of the NACS (North American Charging Standard).
01:09:45 - Doug's car collection.
01:13:27 - Biggest cultural shift returning to the automotive industry.
01:18:02 - Building the right software engineering teams.
01:21:22 - Final thoughts.
01:24:18 - EV racing!
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Thursday Sep 21, 2023
Thursday Sep 21, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Ford CEO Jim Farley! The guys discuss the all-new Ford Mustang GTD supercar, Ford adopting Tesla's Charging Standard, the decision behind splitting into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e", making EVs vs ICE vehicles, what he learned on his road trip in a Ford Lightning, battery production, the future of SDVs, autonomy with BlueCruise, the EV price war with China, and more!
0:42 - Guest introduction & more about the day of recording.
4:49 - Ford Mustang GTD!
10:35 - Prototype Inboard Suspension & DRS System.
15:00 - The wing!
17:54 - Decision behind the name "Mustang GTD".
19:40 - Adopting Tesla's Charging Standard.
26:58 - Decision behind the split into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e".
29:20 - Making EVs vs ICE vehicles.
34:19 - Jim's road trip in the Ford Lightning.
35:37 - Tripling Ford Lightning Production.
38:00 - Other lessons he learned on the road trip.
43:15 - The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs).
44:19 - Predictive Failure Components using AI.
44:52 - Autonomy with BlueCruise.
45:28 - Subscription vs Usage cost for BlueCruise.
47:48 - Software subscriptions.
49:48 - Selling the customer on SDVs.
55:20 - How is mass adoption of EVs going?
01:03:01 - EV price war with China.
01:04:27 - Predictable cycle in technology change.
01:05:48 - Predicting the Gas-powered car ban in 2035.
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Thursday Sep 07, 2023
Thursday Sep 07, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman sit down with Aston Martin's Director of Design - Miles Nurnberger! Miles tells the inception tale of the Aston Martin Valkyrie, aka The Manhattan Project of Automobiles! The guys discuss behind the scenes stories from the creation of the Valkyrie, the reveal of the Aston Martin DB12 Volante, Aston Martin's partnership with Lucid, Pebble Beach 2100, and why all EVs of the future won't look the same.
3:38 - Aston Martin Valkyrie inception - The Manhattan Project of Automobiles.
5:45 - Valkyrie Designer Adrian Newey.
12:56 - What is the Aston Martin Valkyrie?
14:44 - "The toilet seat".
20:24 - The Valkyrie Experience.
27:00 - Seating design.
30:18 - Crash testing the Valkyrie.
33:24 - Aston Martin DNA.
37:24 - The badge.
43:08 - How do you get in!?
46:59 - Designing the interior.
53:01 - Will there ever be another car like the Valkyrie?
54:01 - Thoughts on McMurtry & Gordon Murray Automotive.
01:03:21 - Have we passed peak interval combustion, is the future ONLY electric?
01:05:54 - Was the Valkyrie project a success? "It wasn't a normal project."
01:10:19 - When was the darkest moment in the project?
01:12:02 - Where does the project stand now with recent changes to Aston Martin?
01:14:00 - Valhalla - the son of the Valkyrie!
01:18:33 - Aston Martin Cygnet.
01:19:28 - Aston Martin's partnership with Lucid!
01:21:47 - Anything new coming?
01:27:18 - Miles' history & love for cars.
01:34:52 - Who designed the Vantage???
01:38:08 - Aston Martin One-77.
01:41:38 - Who came up with the front intake vents on the One-77?
01:46:12 - Aston Martin DB12 & DB12 Volante!
01:53:52 - Pebble Beach 2100!
01:55:42 - "Piss off" factors in the design process.
01:59:02 - How does Aston Martin approach the EV space?
02:02:00 - Why all EVs won't be the same.
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Thursday Aug 31, 2023
Thursday Aug 31, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with BisiMoto himself - Bisimoto Engineering's CEO & Chief Engineer - Bisi Ezerioha! Bisi talks about his big EV revelation, personal collection, Bisimoto's new project car - the Moby X, his chemical engineering background, his drag racing history, the wild west of EV tuning, and working on Teslas!
2:54 - Bisi's big revelation about EVs in 2018, at CES.
6:40 - "EVs have No Soul".
9:05 - First time driving an EV? His own Porsche 935 project car for SEMA!
16:13 - "The first time I drove this thing in my shop, I almost urinated on myself... I'm an enthusiast first, and I love speed, I love acceleration... It is intoxicating." - Bisi.
18:16 - "There's a weird connection to the tarmac that I didn't experience with my other cars that are petrol. Almost like my petrol engines dampened that feedback." - Bisi.
21:12 - 935 K3V. Model unboxing, & build.
28:45 - How did petrol friends react to his EV conversion?
30:52 - When did EV conversion happen personally?
35:42 - Bisi's personal fleet.
38:25 - Tesla Model S Plaid Launches - "Wow, it reminds me of my drag car... It's shocking for a sedan. It shouldn't be that fast." - Bisi.
44:41 - More Bisi cars.
56:12 - State of EV aftermarket space.
59:42 - Batteries & Battery improvement.
01:05:21 - Bisi's personal & educational background. Chemical Engineering!
01:17:51 - Where his love for cars came from.
01:23:01 - When did Bisi start drag racing? Compton street racing scene.
01:25:57 - The moment that sparked his interest in performance modification.
01:30:14 - Lightbulb moment at his first drag race.
01:34:20 - Behind the nickname "Bisimoto".
01:36:57 - Cultural soup that led to the Fast & Furious. Tom Young, "Let's race for $5,000."
01:40:44 - Street Racing tricks - dome light distractions & hiding nitrous.
01:44:34 - Career arch, stopped racing in 2014.
01:45:20 - How much are you actually able to tune EVs? Wild Wild West.
01:58:26 - Working on Teslas - "I want to keep learning." - Bisi.
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Thursday Aug 24, 2023
Gran Turismo Director Neill Blomkamp & Pro Driver Jann Mardenborough
Thursday Aug 24, 2023
Thursday Aug 24, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Gran Turismo Director Neill Blomkamp, and Professional Driver Jann Mardenborough - whose life the story is based on! The guys discuss the making of the film, Jann's path to racing through the GT Academy, BTS stories from filming, their love of cars, and thoughts on EVs!
2:10 - Gran Turismo - Releasing August 25th!
5:11 - How Neill became involved with the film.
8:17 - Jann's introduction to Gran Turismo the game & early interest in cars.
16:39 - Making video game movies.
20:00 - Jann on his GT Academy trials - from video gamer to race car driver! In 2011, Jann (19) participated in the GT Academy where he beat out 90,000 others to win the competition. The prize for his victory was a chance to drive with Nissan at the Dubai 24 Hour!
24:17 - Jann built his own rig!
28:10 - Smack talk? Brutal!
30:39 - When did Jann know he had a shot to win? Won his first race at Silverstone.
36:08 - Jann's UK Driver's License Test - Hyundai Coupe(Tiburon), manual.
38:01 - "Just a gamer" comments & dirty drivers!
45:11 - How authentic is the story?
50:42 - Jann's rebound after a horrific accident.
57:30 - Orlando Bloom's accident.
01:03:14 - Realism Consultant.
01:06:45 - Cars featured in the movie.
01:14:11 - David Harbour.
01:18:02 - Sound Design & Kazunori Yamauchi stories.
01:24:19 - Jann on the hardest parts of shooting.
01:26:52 - Kazunori/Polyphony's involvement in the film.
01:30:31 - Jann on having a movie about his life, at 31!
01:33:01 - GT Academy & ESports.
01:38:20 - Jann's first splurge car?
01:41:57 - Neill's first splurge car?
01:45:49 - The best race scenes in other movies.
01:47:57 - Neill's LFA and other past cars.
01:54:07 - InEVitable - Neill on Tesla Model S Plaid, "It's like driving a nuclear missile."
01:58:32 - Jann's experience with EVs.
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Thursday Aug 17, 2023
The future of RUF Automobile with Aloisa Ruf!
Thursday Aug 17, 2023
Thursday Aug 17, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Aloisa Ruf of RUF Automobile! Aloisa discusses the history of her family's company, RUF's process of creating completely custom vehicles, RUF's first EV (& power plants!), her internship with the Petersen Automotive Museum, and more! Are EVs InEVitable for RUF?
1:35 - How to pronounce "RUF"?
2:30 - Early history of RUF Automobile.
11:00 - Relocated to LA for an internship with Petersen Museum.
15:28 - RUF Automobiles history highlights.
17:25 - When did you realise you were born into a special family? Bill Nye!
21:34 - GP Ice Race.
27:23 - Puerto Rico!
30:42 - The 1987 RUF Yellowbird, SCR, & CTR Anniversary.
33:35 - Freeman Thomas' RUF CTR Anniversary - successor to the 1987 Yellowbird!
35:26 - Driver's test - standardized test in Germany - Day, Night, & Autobahn drives.
38:29 - 1987 RUF Yellowbird Nurburgring.
44:06 - RUF's process - all custom.
51:37 - RUF's first EV & Power Plants!
54:03 - RUF's decision NOT to pursue EVs (for now).
58:48 - Aloisa's future with the company.
01:03:25 - Thoughts on current EVs - Porsche & Tesla.
01:04:56 - Her 1968 Porsche 912.
01:06:34 - Benchmarks?
01:10:03 - Aloisa's favorite RUF car?
01:12:49 - Art installation collabs.
01:17:35 - Petersen Museum internship - Marketing Dept.
01:19:55 - Tesla Cybertruck exhibit reactions?
01:20:51 - 75 years of Porsche in California exhibit.
01:22:04 - LA/California culture.
01:24:50 - What's next for Aloisa?
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Thursday Aug 10, 2023
Exploring the ALL NEW Cadillac Escalade IQ with Chief Engineer Mandi Damman
Thursday Aug 10, 2023
Thursday Aug 10, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with the Chief Engineer, Cadillac Escalade IQ - Mandi Damman! Mandi shares all the details about the BRAND NEW Cadillac Escalade IQ! One of the biggest EVs to hit the market!
2:57 - Cadillac Escalade IQ debuts!
8:21 - Vehicle Specs - Up to 750 HP with Velocity Max
15:57 - One big EV!
19:57 - 24" wheels on 35 " tires - Challenges of Development.
26:20 - Development Process.
29:24 - Ultra Cruise - Level 2 Autonomy. Ultra Cruise vs Super Cruise.
33:06 - Curved 55" Display - One piece of glass, continuous screen.
38:01 - Google & Snapdragon Cockpit Platform from Qualcomm Technologies collabs.
41:46 - Front Command Center, Executive Second Row, & Rear Command Center.
42:35 - Power Opening/Closing Doors - All four Doors!
43:57 - Panoramic Roof w/ 4% Tint. Plus shade (For Purchase).
50:22 - Executive Second Row & Options.
54:22 - 8,000 LBS Towing capacity. Range & Towing. 450 Miles of Range!
01:00:43 - Cold weather effects of EV performance.
01:03:34 - Charging - NACS Hardware on board.
01:16:00 - Interior & Exterior Colors.
01:19:21 - Mandi's career background. Started at GM at 18 years old!
01:30:19 - Transitioning into the EV space.
01:38:19 - Leading a large team.
01:42:22 - Mother of two!
01:46:52 - Women's Leadership & STEM.
01:53:32 - Are EVs inEVitable?
01:54:29 - Cadillac Escalade IQ - Sell me!
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Thursday Aug 03, 2023
Thursday Aug 03, 2023
The future of Hot Rodding! MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Hot Rod Magazine's Editor-in-Chief - John McGann! The guys talk about Hot Rod's 75th Anniversary, the future of hot rodding, his first experience driving an EV (2023 Ford Lightning, MT's 2023 Truck of the Year), Project X, EV drag racing, and more!
2:59 - John's experience driving his FIRST EV! Drove MT's 2023 Truck of the Year - Ford F-150 Lightning.
4:29 - Initial thoughts on 'One-pedal driving'.
10:14 - Overall thoughts on Ford F-150 Lightning - "It is interesting to see how it changes [the] driving [experience]."
15:17 - Issues - heavier, lane assistance, chimes/warnings.
19:36 - Hot Rod guys hate new cars anyway - RAV4 example.
22:07 - Autonomy tech - GM's Super Cruise & Ford's BlueCruise.
26:28 - Where is the term "Hot Rod" going? Where are EVs in the mind of the Hot Rod audience?
34:04 - The birth of Hot Rod Magazine in 1948.
39:26 - Misinformation.
44:40 - What is popular right now with the Hot Rod audience + Outliers? Restomods.
49:11 - Hot Rod market - what will happen to Hot Rods moving forward?
51:16 - Car & Coffee scene in SoCal exploding.
53:08 - Brand loyalty with the new generation & American cars through the 80s.
01:04:47 - Why don't Hot Rod guys like Front-Wheel drive?
01:06:12 - EV Drag Racing! Project X. '57 Chevy 210 Bel Aire, converted to EV in 2022.
01:09:19 - Public response to EV conversion of Project X.
01:17:04 - ZZ632 debuts at Hot Rod's Power Tour!
01:21:07 - EV drag racing!
01:25:35 - Modifying EVs.
01:28:34 - Does the Hot Rod community care about Climate Change?
01:36:51 - Finding a balance with new EVs.
01:40:04 - Are EVs InEVitable for John McGann?
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Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Super Street Garage Host John Naderi
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Super Street Garage Host - John Naderi! The guys discuss John's early road in automotive magazines & early internet projects, tuning culture, and his new show "Super Street Garage"!
1:25 - Nads' first time on a podcast!
3:45 - First time John & Jonny met.
6:40 - First time Ed & John met - Tokyo Auto Salon.
7:25 - John's early road in Automotive magazines - Max Power (Euro Tuner), Super Street.
18:00 - Super Street Garage - debuting July 21st!
25:20 - About the show.
26:10 - Time Attack!
35:03 - Episode 1 - Yellow Honda Civic Hatchback!
47:08 - Who's doing the tuning?
48:37 - Genesis of Super Street Garage.
49:57 - Co-Host, Amir Bentatu!
54:22 - John's history, writing chops.
01:01:27 - Driving test.
01:07:20 - Switch to digital.
01:12:00 - Rice Boy TV, Car Junkie TV (pre Roadkill).
01:21:21 - Hoonigan, Jim Canha films.
01:32:14 - Thoughts on EVs & full autonomy.
01:37:06 - Honda Civic EV - it's no longer a Civic!
01:46:00 - Progress & pushing innovation.
01:49:14 - Future of tuning. EV Performance!
02:02:52 - Super Street Garage!
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