The InEVitable
Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
Episodes

Thursday Nov 02, 2023
e-Bikes with CAKE’s Chief Growth Officer Eric Asmussen
Thursday Nov 02, 2023
Thursday Nov 02, 2023
Is it CAKE!? Yes... If by CAKE you mean e-Bikes or Electric Motorcycles. MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with CAKE's Chief Growth Officer - Eric Asmussen! Eric dives into the many advantages & use cases of e-Bikes & Electric Motorcycles, CAKE's mission to grow the brand & e-Bike space, their various models, and more! Learn more at RideCAKE.com!
2:22 - "Light, Quiet, & Clean".
5:40 - Kalk - CAKE's off-road electric motorcycle.
6:32 - Sustainability = re:CAKE.
7:09 - Less parts, lighter weight.
15:01 - Advantages of Electric Motorcycles over Gas Motorcycles.
18:37 - "Friendlier than a motorcycle."
21:16 - Osa - CAKE's workbench on wheels.
22:49 - Range, Speed, & Charging.
25:19 - Pricing.
26:02 - Adjustable speed & regen.
27:17 - Comparing CAKES - Makka, Osa, & Aik models.
31:42 - Security = App locks, battery locks, & 3 kill switches.
33:23 - Operation.
34:34 - CAKE's Anti-Poaching Initiative in Africa.
37:50 - Cold weather considerations.
40:41 - Charging infrastructure for eBikes?
42:46 - Battery swapping?
46:21 - Riding from New York to Los Angeles!
48:42 - Accessories!
51:48 - Reliability & Delivery use cases.
55:21 - Jonny's 0 MPH crash.
01:03:08 - New generation.
01:06:13 - Green spaces & urbanization.
01:07:55 - Saving space & time.
01:10:27 - Growth.
01:14:40 - Military applications?
01:18:01 - More use cases.
01:22:27 - Available for purchase online at RideCAKE.com
01:24:10 - Osa = Carpenter.
01:26:51 - Behind the name, "CAKE".
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Thursday Oct 26, 2023
Synthetic Fuels with Porsche’s Karl Dums
Thursday Oct 26, 2023
Thursday Oct 26, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman are back with more from Rennsport Reunion 7 with Porsche's Senior Project Lead for eFuels, Karl Dums! The guys chat with Karl about Porsche's mission to create synthetic fuels! What are eFuels? And why should we pursue eFuels as an option?
0:12 - Today's topic - eFuels!
3:06 - Welcome Karl Dums!
4:58 - What are eFuels? How does it compare to gasoline?
7:15 - Carbon Neutral!
9:31 - Harnessing the winds of Patagonia.
15:50 - What about the CO2 footprint?
18:32 - Do eFuels work for all current fossil fuel applications?
21:01 - eFuels provide a decarbonizing solution for ALL existing vehicles - all 1.4 BILLION of them.
25:58 - Genesis of Porsche's eFuel mission.
27:31 - Timeline for eFuel rollout.
30:01 - Rapid timeline of development.
31:30 - Roadmap to reducing overall CO2 footprint.
35:45 - Vehicles running on eFuels at Rennsport.
37:05 - Want to learn more? Visit http://HIFGlobal.com
38:01 - Karl's involvement with the Carrera GT.
39:03 - Favorite cars at Rennsport.
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Thursday Oct 19, 2023
75 Years of Porsche at Rennsport Reunion 7 | Porsche + Michelin’s EV Racing Mission
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman take the show on the road to Porsche Rennsport Reunion 7 at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca - celebrating the 75th Anniversary of Porsche! FIRST, the guys chat with Porsche's GT4 e-Performance Tour Project Manager - Oliver Schwab - AND Michelin's North American Director of Motorsports - Jason Anzalone - about their mission to develop the electric future of customer racing! NEXT, the guys chat with Michelin's Original Equipment Product Category Manager - Ed Gliss - about what it takes to be a test driver, and how Michelin is staying ahead of the EV curve.
0:12 - Guest introductions
5:15 - Oliver's reaction to Rennsport Reunion 7.
8:17 - Focus of the event for Michelin.
9:32 - Porsche e-Performance.
12:41 - Porsche Mission R.
15:25 - Comparing Mission R & GT4 e.
18:16 - Test lab for electric customer racing.
21:01 - 63% sustainable tires.
22:07 - Race tires vs street tires.
23:52 - Low rolling resistance tires.
25:46 - How interested are customers in EV racing?
29:08 - Fast Charging for EV racing.
36:06 - How does Michelin approach the EV customer?
37:49 - Process of developing a tire for a specific car.
40:39 - Kids in a candy factory!
43:17 - Porsche & California.
46:27 - Looking into the future.
52:04 - Michelin's Ed Gliss!
52:18 - Ed's thoughts on Rennsport Reunion 7.
55:22 - What does the general consumer NEED to know about tires?
56:59 - Mission for Laguna Seca.
58:23 - Ed's Test Driver background.
59:52 - Tire sidewall markings.
01:03:43 - Competitive analysis of tires.
01:04:21 - The biggest issue with cheap tires.
01:05:44 - Reference vehicles for testing.
01:07:33 - Developing tires for a specific car.
01:08:15 - Over 100 tunable components in a tire.
01:14:11 - Life of a Test Driver.
01:21:57 - How to become a Test Driver.
01:32:06 - His role in Product Marketing.
01:33:20 - EV tires.
01:35:57 - How tires affect range/gas mileage.
01:38:19 - What are you excited to see at Rennsport Reunion?
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Thursday Oct 12, 2023
Thursday Oct 12, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Kia's Long Range Strategy & Planning Manager - Steve Kosowski! The guys discuss the Charging Alliance, Kia's EV6, EV6 GT, EV9 SUV, Solid State Batteries, hydrogen power, Kia's Carbon Neutral mission, current challenges, and the future outlook for the EV Market.
1:31 - Charging Alliance bringing 30,000 Ultra High Speed DC Chargers across America by 2030.
4:17 - Kia's "Plan S".
6:37 - What Tesla got right about charging.
10:58 - Why companies don't follow Tesla's charging infrastructure model.
12:17 - Jonny's charging story.
15:22 - Current EV demographics.
18:43 - Exploring the Kia EV6.
26:11 - Kia EV6 GT origin story.
31:15 - Benchmarks for the EV6 GT.
32:30 - EV6 vs. EV6 GT Target Buyers.
35:35 - Exploring the Kia EV9 SUV.
36:27 - EV9 vs Telluride.
41:47 - Looking at the EV Battery Cells - With 456 cells in the EV9, how do you cool them?
46:43 - The future for batteries in EVs.
51:51 - Advantages of Solid State Batteries.
54:28 - Is weight the final frontier for all EVs?
01:00:08 - Hydrogen powered passenger vehicles.
01:05:06 - What will the 2030 EV market look like?
01:07:02 - How gas prices affect car buying.
01:08:35 - Impact to infrastructure due to the heavy weight of EVs.
01:11:07 - Steve's personal views on EVs.
01:14:22 - In 2030, what will blow our minds about EVs?
01:19:13 - Mission to go Carbon Neutral.
01:21:54 - Will all EVs of the future be the same?
01:28:04 - Chinese EV Market.
01:32:16 - Japanification of China.
01:34:47 - Election year nightmare scenarios & economic issues.
01:38:00 - Long Range Planning.
01:39:47 - Geopolitics, economics issues, & public perceptions around EVs.
01:48:33 - When do we see a $29K EV?
01:52:30 - Kia's logo redesign.
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Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Air Taxis & Electric Aerial Ridesharing with Joby Aviation’s Oliver Walker-Jones!
Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Thursday Oct 05, 2023
Air Taxis by 2025!? Yep! Electric Aerial Ridesharing is just around the corner. MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Joby Aviation's Marketing, Communications & Brand Leader, Oliver Walker-Jones, about the Joby Aircraft & Electric Aerial Ridesharing service coming in 2025!
1:19 - What is an Air Taxi, or eVTOL (Electric Vertical Take-off and Landing Aircraft)?
3:31 - How are eVTOLs different from Helicopters?
10:15 - Weight capacity - Pilot & four passengers up to 100 miles!
11:33 - Flying at up to 200 mph!
13:00 - Where will they take-off and land from?
15:46 - Electric Aerial Ridesharing services, through partnerships with Uber & Delta.
17:24 - Safety reassurances? Built-in redundancy.
21:33 - Partnered with Toyota.
26:50 - Who makes the batteries?
27:36 - About the company's founder, JoeBen Bevirt.
31:45 - Pricing? Roughly $5-7 per person, per mile.
34:47 - Time saver! Google Maps example.
39:33 - What about in-flight emergencies?
42:23 - Pilot controls - two joysticks.
44:33 - The NASA Puffin.
49:30 - Marchetti's Constant - 30-minute commute.
53:54 - Hurdles to mass adoption.
54:47 - Regulating the skies.
58:27 - 100 mile range. JFK Airport example.
01:00:10 - What about Autonomy or Remote Operation?
01:04:32 - Who are Joby's competitors?
01:09:18 - DOD application.
01:15:12 - Toyota's 100 year pursuit of electric powered flight!
01:19:27 - Announcing their arrival.
01:19:45 - Immediate road to launch.
01:22:08 - Planning to launch in 2025!
01:23:52 - Global markets.
01:25:06 - Island hopping & other use cases.
01:26:25 - Charging & charging Infrastructure.
01:29:30 - First on-board pilot flight scheduled for later this year.
01:31:16 - Is there an on-board parachute for the aircraft?
01:33:40 - Super Bowl moment?
01:36:01 - When can we get in one?
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Thursday Sep 28, 2023
The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs) with Ford’s Doug Field
Thursday Sep 28, 2023
Thursday Sep 28, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Ford Motor Company's Chief Advanced Product Development & Technology Officer - Doug Field! The guys discuss Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs), how software is redefining the automotive industry, and the roadmap to full autonomy!
0:37 - Who is Doug Field?
5:39 - What is a Software Defined Vehicle (SDV)?
10:49 - What's the advantage of SDVs?
15:12 - What many car companies are going to miss about SDVs.
18:23 - SDVs in application, "A platform for creativity".
22:28 - Over-the-Air updates.
25:09 - How software is redefining automotive manufacturing.
29:18 - What is the defining characteristic of SDVs?
32:01 - Roadmap to full autonomy.
36:52 - What can be learned from the Outside Lands autonomous vehicle fiasco.
40:20 - The biggest hurdle toward full autonomy, "I believe it's harder than putting a person on the moon."
42:09 - "The software revolution is bigger than the propulsion evolution."
45:22 - Ford's SDV subscription services - where's the line?
54:52 - Role of Peter Stern, President of Ford Integrated Services.
58:41 - The importance of the automakers recruiting new talent from tech.
01:03:03 - What will my Ford be capable of 15 years from now?
01:06:58 - Adoption of the NACS (North American Charging Standard).
01:09:45 - Doug's car collection.
01:13:27 - Biggest cultural shift returning to the automotive industry.
01:18:02 - Building the right software engineering teams.
01:21:22 - Final thoughts.
01:24:18 - EV racing!
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Thursday Sep 21, 2023
Thursday Sep 21, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Ford CEO Jim Farley! The guys discuss the all-new Ford Mustang GTD supercar, Ford adopting Tesla's Charging Standard, the decision behind splitting into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e", making EVs vs ICE vehicles, what he learned on his road trip in a Ford Lightning, battery production, the future of SDVs, autonomy with BlueCruise, the EV price war with China, and more!
0:42 - Guest introduction & more about the day of recording.
4:49 - Ford Mustang GTD!
10:35 - Prototype Inboard Suspension & DRS System.
15:00 - The wing!
17:54 - Decision behind the name "Mustang GTD".
19:40 - Adopting Tesla's Charging Standard.
26:58 - Decision behind the split into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e".
29:20 - Making EVs vs ICE vehicles.
34:19 - Jim's road trip in the Ford Lightning.
35:37 - Tripling Ford Lightning Production.
38:00 - Other lessons he learned on the road trip.
43:15 - The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs).
44:19 - Predictive Failure Components using AI.
44:52 - Autonomy with BlueCruise.
45:28 - Subscription vs Usage cost for BlueCruise.
47:48 - Software subscriptions.
49:48 - Selling the customer on SDVs.
55:20 - How is mass adoption of EVs going?
01:03:01 - EV price war with China.
01:04:27 - Predictable cycle in technology change.
01:05:48 - Predicting the Gas-powered car ban in 2035.
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Thursday Sep 07, 2023
Thursday Sep 07, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman sit down with Aston Martin's Director of Design - Miles Nurnberger! Miles tells the inception tale of the Aston Martin Valkyrie, aka The Manhattan Project of Automobiles! The guys discuss behind the scenes stories from the creation of the Valkyrie, the reveal of the Aston Martin DB12 Volante, Aston Martin's partnership with Lucid, Pebble Beach 2100, and why all EVs of the future won't look the same.
3:38 - Aston Martin Valkyrie inception - The Manhattan Project of Automobiles.
5:45 - Valkyrie Designer Adrian Newey.
12:56 - What is the Aston Martin Valkyrie?
14:44 - "The toilet seat".
20:24 - The Valkyrie Experience.
27:00 - Seating design.
30:18 - Crash testing the Valkyrie.
33:24 - Aston Martin DNA.
37:24 - The badge.
43:08 - How do you get in!?
46:59 - Designing the interior.
53:01 - Will there ever be another car like the Valkyrie?
54:01 - Thoughts on McMurtry & Gordon Murray Automotive.
01:03:21 - Have we passed peak interval combustion, is the future ONLY electric?
01:05:54 - Was the Valkyrie project a success? "It wasn't a normal project."
01:10:19 - When was the darkest moment in the project?
01:12:02 - Where does the project stand now with recent changes to Aston Martin?
01:14:00 - Valhalla - the son of the Valkyrie!
01:18:33 - Aston Martin Cygnet.
01:19:28 - Aston Martin's partnership with Lucid!
01:21:47 - Anything new coming?
01:27:18 - Miles' history & love for cars.
01:34:52 - Who designed the Vantage???
01:38:08 - Aston Martin One-77.
01:41:38 - Who came up with the front intake vents on the One-77?
01:46:12 - Aston Martin DB12 & DB12 Volante!
01:53:52 - Pebble Beach 2100!
01:55:42 - "Piss off" factors in the design process.
01:59:02 - How does Aston Martin approach the EV space?
02:02:00 - Why all EVs won't be the same.
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Thursday Aug 31, 2023
Thursday Aug 31, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with BisiMoto himself - Bisimoto Engineering's CEO & Chief Engineer - Bisi Ezerioha! Bisi talks about his big EV revelation, personal collection, Bisimoto's new project car - the Moby X, his chemical engineering background, his drag racing history, the wild west of EV tuning, and working on Teslas!
2:54 - Bisi's big revelation about EVs in 2018, at CES.
6:40 - "EVs have No Soul".
9:05 - First time driving an EV? His own Porsche 935 project car for SEMA!
16:13 - "The first time I drove this thing in my shop, I almost urinated on myself... I'm an enthusiast first, and I love speed, I love acceleration... It is intoxicating." - Bisi.
18:16 - "There's a weird connection to the tarmac that I didn't experience with my other cars that are petrol. Almost like my petrol engines dampened that feedback." - Bisi.
21:12 - 935 K3V. Model unboxing, & build.
28:45 - How did petrol friends react to his EV conversion?
30:52 - When did EV conversion happen personally?
35:42 - Bisi's personal fleet.
38:25 - Tesla Model S Plaid Launches - "Wow, it reminds me of my drag car... It's shocking for a sedan. It shouldn't be that fast." - Bisi.
44:41 - More Bisi cars.
56:12 - State of EV aftermarket space.
59:42 - Batteries & Battery improvement.
01:05:21 - Bisi's personal & educational background. Chemical Engineering!
01:17:51 - Where his love for cars came from.
01:23:01 - When did Bisi start drag racing? Compton street racing scene.
01:25:57 - The moment that sparked his interest in performance modification.
01:30:14 - Lightbulb moment at his first drag race.
01:34:20 - Behind the nickname "Bisimoto".
01:36:57 - Cultural soup that led to the Fast & Furious. Tom Young, "Let's race for $5,000."
01:40:44 - Street Racing tricks - dome light distractions & hiding nitrous.
01:44:34 - Career arch, stopped racing in 2014.
01:45:20 - How much are you actually able to tune EVs? Wild Wild West.
01:58:26 - Working on Teslas - "I want to keep learning." - Bisi.
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Thursday Aug 24, 2023
Gran Turismo Director Neill Blomkamp & Pro Driver Jann Mardenborough
Thursday Aug 24, 2023
Thursday Aug 24, 2023
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Gran Turismo Director Neill Blomkamp, and Professional Driver Jann Mardenborough - whose life the story is based on! The guys discuss the making of the film, Jann's path to racing through the GT Academy, BTS stories from filming, their love of cars, and thoughts on EVs!
2:10 - Gran Turismo - Releasing August 25th!
5:11 - How Neill became involved with the film.
8:17 - Jann's introduction to Gran Turismo the game & early interest in cars.
16:39 - Making video game movies.
20:00 - Jann on his GT Academy trials - from video gamer to race car driver! In 2011, Jann (19) participated in the GT Academy where he beat out 90,000 others to win the competition. The prize for his victory was a chance to drive with Nissan at the Dubai 24 Hour!
24:17 - Jann built his own rig!
28:10 - Smack talk? Brutal!
30:39 - When did Jann know he had a shot to win? Won his first race at Silverstone.
36:08 - Jann's UK Driver's License Test - Hyundai Coupe(Tiburon), manual.
38:01 - "Just a gamer" comments & dirty drivers!
45:11 - How authentic is the story?
50:42 - Jann's rebound after a horrific accident.
57:30 - Orlando Bloom's accident.
01:03:14 - Realism Consultant.
01:06:45 - Cars featured in the movie.
01:14:11 - David Harbour.
01:18:02 - Sound Design & Kazunori Yamauchi stories.
01:24:19 - Jann on the hardest parts of shooting.
01:26:52 - Kazunori/Polyphony's involvement in the film.
01:30:31 - Jann on having a movie about his life, at 31!
01:33:01 - GT Academy & ESports.
01:38:20 - Jann's first splurge car?
01:41:57 - Neill's first splurge car?
01:45:49 - The best race scenes in other movies.
01:47:57 - Neill's LFA and other past cars.
01:54:07 - InEVitable - Neill on Tesla Model S Plaid, "It's like driving a nuclear missile."
01:58:32 - Jann's experience with EVs.
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